I’m saying that if we –and I include myself— listen we might hear something.
I've listened to all your posts and heard fuck all up to now, seriously, just a bunch of buzz-words and academic rhetoric angrily wrapped around a core with no substance. You flounced in here, incandescent with rage at our ignorance, condensed the whole thread and all the varying thoughts and opinions in it into one dismissable concept and (without saying which particular statements or opinions have got you so worked up) throw a fucking big blanket over everything and tell us how wrong we are.
Ever the good little college boy, you back your complete non-argument up with irrelevant links and quite possibly the worst analogy I've ever read, in any argument on any website, in the history of the internets, ever!
Seriously? you think that an example like that can make us understand where you're coming from?
OK, here's one for you, read through your last post, insert the word's "animal rights" every time you say "the n word". Next, go to your local butchers (or a "show" if that's all you can relate to) and scream "Meat is murder!"
Next, do the same thing, only this time, stick your thumb up your arse when you shout it, finally, do both these things with, I don't know, a bit of bacon sticking out of your top pocket, and see if there is a difference.
Do you understand what I'm saying? of course you don't, I'm talking total shite, but at least I admit it.
You explained that your initial anger at us was because we were a bunch of "white boys" having a closed discussion without wondering what black people had to say in the matter, despite the fact that we are all different colours, creeds and nationalities, and despite the fact that I personally posted on the historical impact of the "blackface" on the first page, your anger at us is based on the most tenuous of reasons.
No-one is marking your posts fella, I can see you're trying to tick all the right academic boxes but you only have to read a few threads on this site and you'll see how we talk to each other, like regular people having a conversation, we're not stupid by any means but the "baffle them with bullshit" card was played here a long time ago, and it was played better than you're doing it now, you want to get your point across, speak proper innit.
Incidentally, I read through the paper you linked in your first post, it was more "on-topic" than relevant, but one thing struck me, for a large part of the piece you could have switched the subject's of the paper to Northern women in the UK from the 60's to present day (ask Howling if you don't believe me), have you thought about that? I highly doubt it, champions against opression generally pick and choose which oppression they want to fight then call everybody else cunts for not being on board, it's all so boringly predictable.
Now you've apparently left this thread which is entirely up to you, feel free to carry on with the debate but I don't think it will do any good, your problem doesn't seem to lie with what we're saying, but with the existence and subject matter of this thread, if that's the case you're never going to be happy so I suggest you avoid similar threads in the future, we've got plenty of other threads if you want to contribute, all viewpoints are welcome as long as they belong to our members and we don't have to dig round the internet to find the opinion of someone who's never even heard of this fucking site and take it as a valid argument, I know that's perfectly acceptable in the academic world you usually inhabit, but here, it just looks like a cop out.
jello biafra ..... jello biafra ......... JELLO BIAFRA
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