I've got to agree with the Norwood/Cappy/Addicted side of this argument. I totally get what Howling is saying, I grew up in the same environment and treat my mates exactly the same way ... But! ... That's the way we are when we're together, if we're out in public we tone that shit down, it's fuck all to do with being suppressed, it's about basic respect and consideration for people around you. I get the "if you're offended say something" angle too, but by the time someone does object they're going to be pretty pissed off, not the best scenario for a debate.
If someone's upset by something as trite as bad words and boisterous behaviour they shouldn't be out in public, but more sensitive issues can be a massive flash-point for certain people, and if it was me in that position I wouldn't stop to consider some annoying fuckers upbringing, experiences or personal identity when they've shown zero consideration for anyone else's, that's some of the lamest most self-centred shit I've ever read on this site. (incidentally, "^" isn't making a point, "^" is just a lazy ditto, imazombie, you were called out by Cappy and Addicted, Howling hasn't covered their points, if you want to start a thread with all the bitching this one contains at least fight your own corner when challenged)
But you know what, cappy's right, this whole thread is just one big whine-fest, the pc culture isn't ruining punk at all, it's just an indication of the fact that it's already ruined, because the bar is set far too low, because of the fuckers attaching themselves to the culture but cherry-picking the aspects they want, "being offensive" check, "spikey hair" check, "social conscience" erm, I'll skip that one, "getting pissed" check ....
and why is it like that? Because of all the twats who say "punk has no rules" or "punk can be whatever you want it to be" or even "Whoever wrote the punk rock rulebook should be shot in the face" (yeah, fuck you too GTA)
If Punk can be whatever you want it to be then obviously 90% of our new recruits want it to be exactly the same as the rest of the shit out there, because now it is, thanks fuckers, it's fucking disgusting that we're even having this conversation on a punk site, I remember when we had to have mutual respect for each other because no fucker had any for us, this is what happens when you allow the mainstream to re-absorb us, we're back to playing by their rules.
Thanks for that, enjoy your fuckin music.
jello biafra ..... jello biafra ......... JELLO BIAFRA
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