chisox100 wrote: Guana wrote:
it's bad enough that venues are smoke free, and policed to fuck because the lightweights wouldn't adapt and just had the places made more appealing to all without us doing the same to gigs.
Are you saying people should be able to smoke inside at shows? Im a huge fan of a nice home rolled cig and some live music but even at DIY shows with no rules I refrain from doing it inside. People with asthma have a right to enjoy the show too.
I can recall plenty of gigs where I've missed something good because I've been huddled in a pissy shelter smoking a cig with all the other outcasts, I've got back in and found I've lost my table, or had my drink (which I couldn't take out with me) stolen, or I've missed the start of the set I've paid to see.
I can't recall a single gig that was ruined by a shortage of asthmatics wheezing away in the pit or sucking noisily on their inhalers between tracks.
With all due respect to people with asthma, if they don't like it, sit near a fucking window and think yourself lucky that the vast amount of tax I pay on my baccy funds your medication.
I mean, c'mon, we're moaning in the PC punk thread about people who want to go to gigs but want them changed into an experience they personally enjoy more, fuck that, if there's that much of a backlash against smokey rooms then you don't take them over and destroy what's there, you make your own smoke free environment and have gigs there instead, but that didn't happen, and why not? Because no fucker would go there, smoke free bars popped up in this country many times before the smoking ban, and popped back down again because no-one bothered with them, the pub industry in the UK is pretty much on its arse because of the ban, all the people who said they'd go out more if it was smoke free stay at home and don't bother, all the smokers stay at home so they can drink and smoke to their hearts content without contracting pneumonia and you end up with a big bunch of empty clubs. And what's worse, is they're empty pubs and clubs that stink of piss and sweat and fart-gas because there's no tobacco masking it.
I don't have asthma, but as a kid I had really fucked up hay fever, can you imagine what it's like in a country like ours with all it's parks and gardens and countryside and I couldn't visit any of it? I didn't go to these places, but I certainly didn't demand that they rip up the flowerbeds, tear down the trees and tarmac the rest of it because it was my right to visit these attractions like everyone else, I stuck with activities that didn't swell my eyes shut to watery slits and got on with it.
Where we going with this? Protect the asthmatics by banning pets, greenery, dust, exhaust fumes, chemical odours? When in reality, the majority of them drive, own dogs which they walk in the park and scrub their ovens with Cillit Bang, well fuck 'em, they can suck up my smoke or stay at fuckin home.
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