Topic: Tipping

Just got back from ye'old pizza hut buffet and to explain my experience would be me saying i sat in the back part of the place, It was completely empty when i got there minus the other usual suspects of cheap bastards including old people and sweat pants owners alike, then of all things a high school football team walks in as i start to grumble, bitch and moan about the service to myself (Honestly if you wonder what I'm like go back through And watch any Walter Matthau movie ever made and you see why I'm such a fan because I have the same disposition when dealing with people and public places) and of course i was right, After they showed the waitress ran over to there table and stayed by it's side like a damn puppy! At the very end while enjoying my last cup of soup i was finally asked if I'd like a refill on my soda and after going to use the bathroom for close to twenty seconds i came back to find my refill gone (a dollar ninety nine and not even two damn glasses worth!) My pointless review of lunch aside, I left no money on the table as i tip on dependability and really nothing else and figured I'd ask the question of how anyone else judges the money left after a meal, Are you a automatic percentage based on price tipper? Are you big on courtesy and Politeness, Or are you one of those pricks who only tips good looking waitresses thinking the extra five is going to lead to eons of unbridled kinky sex?

"If there's one thing i've learned, It's that life's just one series of curshing defeats after another until you just wished flanders was dead" -Homer simpson

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I hate when people expect their waiters to basically kiss their ass the entire time. I don't really care how perky or good looking they are, whether they smile or don't, etc. If they go out of their way to be rude though, then that's a different story and they're basically asking for it in my opinion. My only real expectations are: don't do anything excessively unsanitary...don't stalk my table waiting for me to leave... don't be annoying or ask me too many questions. That's pretty much it, except for their primary functions of refilling drinks, bringing food, etc.

I always give what I consider to be fair, I don't fuck with percentages or anything like that unless I'm with a huge group or something. Also, if I'm in and out really quick I don't give as much. I think you have to take everything into consideration, unfortunately. I'm not sure a person who eats a steak should pay more of a tip than a person who eats a hamburger though, which is basically what you are saying if you are a die hard "percentage" person. Just doesn't make sense.

"Flowers are cunts basically." - Guana

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One of the main reasons i harp on the drink thing is because i always assumed it's really in the long run the place it hits you the most when you eat out anymore, Without trying to sound to much like a cheap prick the restaurants prices on any drink is total inflation in the long run seeing as how your average dollar store sells soda and ice tea by the liter for a dollar and quarter so i always feel like I'm entitled to at the very least 3 refills to even break even.

. I'm not sure a person who eats a steak should pay more of a tip than a person who eats a hamburger

I don't think they should is where Walter Matthau effect kicks in for me as i always think in general waiters are performing a required service and not a friendly gesture just by bringing a larger amount of food to your table (I always use the bar principle for this stating that your bar tender is only there due to a p.l.c.b. code and i more than likely would have spent the 80 bucks regardless of the local weather chit chat)

I don't really care how perky or good looking they are,

Yep, yes, 100 percent, This really is where the stupidity is shown in most, If they'd stop and think about it they'd eventually have to come to the realization 1. You can't even buy a cheap prostitute for under 130 dollars 2.Even porn on dvd is around twenty dollars, so i'm not sure why the hell they think the local prom queen/better than average looking college student is going to sleep or at that even remember them for under ten.

"If there's one thing i've learned, It's that life's just one series of curshing defeats after another until you just wished flanders was dead" -Homer simpson

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tipping for the most part is an only in america thing, i dont believe people work for tips in any other country. if i am wrong, someone can correct me

for the people in other countries who dont understand what is being talked about, in America a company can pay its workers less than minimum wage if they have a position that receives tips. I dont know when tipping started, as it used to be more of a bonus than something that if you do not tip, you basically made the person work for free.

Jobs that pay less, sometimes much less, than the minimum, include waiter/waitress, hostess, bartender, food delivery drivers, valet parking, and plenty more. For example, in Florida, the minimum wage is like 7.87 per hour or some shit, but waiter pay is $3.13. So you have to make 5 bucks an hour just in tips before you make the minimum.

As a pizza delivery driver, i work for tips and would not do it for minimum wage only. They used to pay us the regular minimum plus tips, but the corporate assholes they are now pay us 4.13 an hour while we are clocked out on a delivery, and the 7.87 minimum when you are clocked in the store. Add to that how all major delivery places charge for delivery (which does not typically go to the driver- example, pizza hut when i worked there charged 2.75 a delivery, but our per-delivery rate was 0.79, which means pizza hut pockets 2 bucks a delivery that the majority of people think the whole delivery charge goes to the driver.

And they do not compensate for mileage, insurance, or wear and tear on the vehicle i use, so in all honesty, delivery guys get fucked over pretty good. Im "lucky" i work for a small local chain that pays me the real minimum plus 2 bucks a run plus tips. Most guys make half of what I make.


Doesnt answer ucsb's question though

I dont always necessarily go by percentage but i usually do. For the sake of this conversation, i will stick with waiter/waitress. If it was the worst service ever and not the kitchen's fault, i will do 10% or less. I usually go 15-20%. The only 2 times I pretty much stiffed the waitress, i wrote a short note (not rudely) saying i usually tip much better but the service tonight was truly awful, and left like a buck.

"We've been divided, we've been bled,
Like a chicken without a head.
Running frantically amuck
Taking but not giving a fuck."

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5 (edited by vascogbh 2016-10-13 02:46:42)

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Ick McWang wrote:

tipping for the most part is an only in america thing, i dont believe people work for tips in any other country. if i am wrong, someone can correct me

for the people in other countries who dont understand what is being talked about, in America a company can pay its workers less than minimum wage if they have a position that receives tips. I dont know when tipping started, as it used to be more of a bonus than something that if you do not tip, you basically made the person work for free.

Jobs that pay less, sometimes much less, than the minimum, include waiter/waitress, hostess, bartender, food delivery drivers, valet parking, and plenty more. For example, in Florida, the minimum wage is like 7.87 per hour or some shit, but waiter pay is $3.13. So you have to make 5 bucks an hour just in tips before you make the minimum.

As a pizza delivery driver, i work for tips and would not do it for minimum wage only. They used to pay us the regular minimum plus tips, but the corporate assholes they are now pay us 4.13 an hour while we are clocked out on a delivery, and the 7.87 minimum when you are clocked in the store. Add to that how all major delivery places charge for delivery (which does not typically go to the driver- example, pizza hut when i worked there charged 2.75 a delivery, but our per-delivery rate was 0.79, which means pizza hut pockets 2 bucks a delivery that the majority of people think the whole delivery charge goes to the driver.

And they do not compensate for mileage, insurance, or wear and tear on the vehicle i use, so in all honesty, delivery guys get fucked over pretty good. Im lucky i work for a small local chain that pays me the real minimum plus 2 bucks a run plus tips. Most guys make half of what I make.


Doesnt answer ucsb's question though

I dont always necessarily go by percentage but i usually do. For the sake of this conversation, i will stick with waiter/waitress. If it was the worst service ever and not the kitchen's fault, i will do 10% or less. I usually go 15-20%. The only 2 times I pretty much stiffed the waitress, i wrote a short note (not rudely) saying i usually tip much better but the service tonight was truly awful, and left like a buck.








that´s a fuck up thing, here in portugal is fixed u always get the same  amount of money in the end of the month even if there is tips or not in portugal is just a rewarding for the sympathy of the person or not, but i respect that professions because dealing with people in many times is fucked up and in here they also receive a very low salary many persons think  just because they r serving they r shit or should  be lowered that´s just the opposite because they r serving "U" you should respect them unless they r bad professionals i think is only in usa that tipping happens that way then again in portugal is a poor country compare with others  "so tips dont came in the menu most of the times" another fuck up thing in usa is the welfare system is really really bad.......

hey,thanks for sharing....

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Tipping hasn't always been accepted like it is now in America, it used to be sort of a bribe only wealthier customers would do to show off or try to get better treatment, and employees would rarely accept them. At some point restaurant owners hit financial trouble, couldn't pay them the same wages, and started encouraging them to accept the tips.

So yeah, I and a lot of other people living in America agree, vascogbh. It's a fucked up system, I feel bad for the employees that have to go out of their way competing for tips, and it can obviously lead to certain customers or groups getting special treatment, just like the tip was used for originally. So it isn't fair for to the workers or the customers, and to answer the original question, is also why I always leave at least $5 for the server. Considering the difference it can make in their wage, I'd only skip on tipping completely if the service was way bad.

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flower owl wrote:

It's a fucked up system, I feel bad for the employees that have to go out of their way competing for tips, and it can obviously lead to certain customers or groups getting special treatment, just like the tip was used for originally. So it isn't fair for to the workers or the customers, and to answer the original question, is also why I always leave at least $5 for the server. Considering the difference it can make in their wage, I'd only skip on tipping completely if the service was way bad.

I quote this and use it to explain to uscb and every non American why this waitress dropped everything she was doing to serve a team. The tip from that order will make her week, if not her month.

A manager will tell a waitress to wait on a large group like a leech because he wants to milk that cow, and a waiter/tress will go along willingly, mostly unknowing, but eyeing the 20% tip on a group versus a dude in a booth seat

If i get assigned 3 deliveries, and i know the customers, the one who doesnt tip gets their food last. This formula doesnt always apply to new customers, but once delivery guys know you dont tip, guys avoid your run. Servers I hear are the same, if you eat there a lot and are a cheap ass, they avoid your table, and eventually you see the hard ass.

"We've been divided, we've been bled,
Like a chicken without a head.
Running frantically amuck
Taking but not giving a fuck."

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I quote this and use it to explain to uscb and every non American why this waitress dropped everything she was doing to serve a team. The tip from that order will make her week, if not her month.

Some people are more tolerant than others, Before everybody starts to think I'm the monopoly board guy of this thread I'm really just the poor chump who wants two more glasses of soda in a half empty restaurant (I worked as a bartender before and I'm well aware of the balance in change left at the end of the night to judge your performance) I still to this day even if you would show me charts and drafts couldn't understand how Politeness should lead to a bigger tip, These are the very first school lessons were taught and if they were used to raise a couple of extra bucks than a thanks should be worth a dollar (Yes i sound like a dick but as flower owl pointed out some Waitresses are territorial and will eat the other ones like a mother field mouse would eat it's young if that's what it took to survive)

"If there's one thing i've learned, It's that life's just one series of curshing defeats after another until you just wished flanders was dead" -Homer simpson

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I don't tip i'm english.

10

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20 % regular, 15- if bad, shitty service. You have to be copping an attitude for no reason for that.

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Howling wrote:

I don't tip i'm english.

Funny, Judging by the one's I've met i always thought being Irish was the proper excuse for being a cheap bastard.

"If there's one thing i've learned, It's that life's just one series of curshing defeats after another until you just wished flanders was dead" -Homer simpson

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^Not cheap i pay for what i buy. I don't buy a person do i? that's the problem companies pay shitty wages ergo people feel pity and feel the need to tip. Take away the tip and they have to provide decent wages or no one could afford to work there.
Tipping perpetuates shitty wages as they know you will top up there shortfall, the need to conform demands it hence this whole topic of agonising how much to actually tip without standing out

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I get what your sayin almost 100 percent, Never really understood the system in full myself other than it was designed to benefit a lot of good people working people who need the extra money and somewhere along the line it got burned into us as a unbreakable custom most use to flatter there self and judge the day to day motor skills of others in the process.


if i am wrong, someone can correct me

I'd be surprised with how identical a lot of social customs are between the united states and Canada if they didn't have something similar At least maybe in the cities closer to the border anyway (Of course I've been wearing the same socks for three months so what the fuck do i know?)

"If there's one thing i've learned, It's that life's just one series of curshing defeats after another until you just wished flanders was dead" -Homer simpson

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u.s.c.b. wrote:
Howling wrote:

I don't tip i'm english.

Funny, Judging by the one's I've met i always thought being Irish was the proper excuse for being a cheap bastard.

replace Irish with Scottish and youre spot on lol..

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Howling wrote:

^Not cheap i pay for what i buy. I don't buy a person do i? that's the problem companies pay shitty wages ergo people feel pity and feel the need to tip. Take away the tip and they have to provide decent wages or no one could afford to work there.
Tipping perpetuates shitty wages as they know you will top up there shortfall, the need to conform demands it hence this whole topic of agonising how much to actually tip without standing out

i hate working for tips, it makes me not know what i am making week after week after year after year. I am entirely up to the amount of business the store generates, and then whether I get a tip or not. In my mind I am not much different than a beggar on the street except I actually work for my morsel. Please sir, have the kindness to give me something.

The point is, the laws of this country have made it this way. What would you have me do? I can "vote" and "protest" all day long, but in the meantime, I have a wife and kids and a house to pay for.

As my boss has told me for 9 years, "if you don't like it, find something else"... That's what we get told. We have no union, no voice. Nothing.

"We've been divided, we've been bled,
Like a chicken without a head.
Running frantically amuck
Taking but not giving a fuck."

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Thats my point^ tipping isnt something that is really done here, the top end restraunts will often add a 17.5% service charge on your bill but howling don't go there, it's more than likely never going to change, you guys have gone too far down the rabbit hole we on the other hand haven't but guess where we would end up if we all as customers tipped upon every food bill? Do you think the lovely employers wouldn't exploit it like in the good ol u.s of a?
You accept tipping fucks up your wages, tipping gives you minimum job security and as a customer gives you poor service as a single person as you're less likely to leave a big tip as would a large group causing you to be discriminated against..you accept it's all these things and more and it clearly dosen't work.

And yet in a country such as england were it is ushually only expected and sadly needed in the higher end restraunts(where legaly the tips don't need to actually go to the employees) you suggest it's cheap not to tip and hurry ourselves along to the system you guys all struggle to accept??

17 (edited by gnat 2016-10-15 11:43:45)

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Howling wrote:

Tipping perpetuates shitty wages

we all get that by participating in the custom of tipping that we are perpetuating the system that makes it necessary. Problem is, our country provides us with little control over our wages and our ability to organize. Every bit of power rests with the employers and the business owners who are basically free to terminate workers as they please. If we don't tip Ick, he has three options. Don't complain and let his family suffer, complain and get told to deal with it or fuck off, or look for a better job that due to many other fucked up reasons he may not be able to find.

Any job I've ever had has afforded me zero respect, the absolute minimum compensation, and an overall lack of basic human decency. So even though I've never had to depend on tips, I sympathize with others who are just trying to get by. In a country 3000 miles wide with more than 300 million people, me choosing not to tip is an absolutely meaningless protest and its absurd to think I'm hurting anyone other than those who have been hurt enough as it is.

It's basically the wild west here. We don't have most of the protections workers in other countries have. We have an orange clown and a heartless witch running for president while a handful of oligarchs pull the strings. We have got to help each other because we are all we have. The people who have the power would sooner see me die on the street in a pile of shit than give up one extra cent.

"Flowers are cunts basically." - Guana

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I don't argue with any of that nor do i say you guys shouldn't tip given the situation you have got yourselves in.
I do however say.

I'm english i don't tip

Given the state of things regarding tips that should be clear as a bell..sadly though the uk no matter the state of things in america does tend to follow along like a giddy lil puppy, so we shall but see.

It does give me pause to wonder though if there are any organised movements over there pushing for people to stop tipping?

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Bacon wrote:
u.s.c.b. wrote:
Howling wrote:

I don't tip i'm english.

Funny, Judging by the one's I've met i always thought being Irish was the proper excuse for being a cheap bastard.

replace Irish with Scottish and youre spot on lol..


Yeah I've met the type before!

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Ive got friends who work at decently fancy restaurants in the loop and they make an absolute killing in tips. Sometimes come home with $150-$200 in cash a night on top of the hourly wage. So there's two sides to this story of tipping...

That being said, I honestly prefer the tipping system. You sit down at a restaraunt in Europe and 20 minutes later someone finally shows up to give you service. Then you order your food, it shows up and your waiter is nowhere to be found for the rest of your time there. Can't get more food. Can't get more alcohol. And no way to punish them for ignoring you. And god forbid you ask for a glass of water. That shit ain't ever showing up.

Slightly unrelated but giving out shitloads of free water at restaurants is such an American thing as well...maybe even a midwestern thing since we've got almost half the world's freshwater supply just chillen here.

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Oh and we are the only civilized country in the world that doesnt mandate some kind of paid time off/sick leave for all employees in any line of work. Im 35 and have never once had a single paid day off since my last summer in high school. If I take a week off, not only am I out the cost of whatever vacation I may want to take, but I don't get that weeks wages either.

And people are like "Ick, get another job"... well all I have experience in is food service and restaurants, they are all the same. No health care, no retirement, no sick days, no vacations. The store manager gets that stuff, but not us, the rank and file. I don't qualify for office type jobs because I have no relevant work experience. And I can't afford to work for free as an intern to get experience.

"We've been divided, we've been bled,
Like a chicken without a head.
Running frantically amuck
Taking but not giving a fuck."

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I generally find Michael Moore too annoying to pay attention to, but Where to Invade Next was actually pretty well done. The doc focuses on how people live in other countries, essentially "stealing" the best parts of each society and adopting them as our own. Its very interesting I thought.

"Flowers are cunts basically." - Guana